Several of you have mentioned cheating going on in the game. When we reset next week, we will be adding new checks and balances - and rules about selling and buying - that should help. Also, for those of you still experiencing map issues, we are working on that as well and hope to have those resolved at the time of the reset.
Glad to hear the good feedback and thanks even for the not-so-good. Keep it coming.
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map is perfect now, at least for me
is having two accounts forbidden as well, or just using that account to gain profit?
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Glad you guys are adding those and listening to us. Things are getting a lot better.
I hope that at the re-start you are prepared for everyone who has played in the past few days AND all their friends AND everyone who has read all the media coverage to log on at the exact same time. :)
one good thing was the ability to keep the bulldozer's chance cards.
because we never know when we may need them, you could make a rule like saving only one at a time is allowed...
I would like to know why in the city of Novara the are no streets available seen that in the city of Vercelli which is a even smaller city there are some.
Is this just a map bug or is there some specific reason?
Thank you for your attention
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"Glad to hear the good feedback"
how can Hasbro lie like that?
what about the thousands of players you betray?
you just erase bad comments, that's all you done. what a pity...
what about the hours spended because of your non-professionnal hardware?
I hope a big part of the world wide web will denounce your amateurism.
It's not the first time Hasbro is lying to the www.
Just remember the "Montcuq" story in France: Monopoly organized a vote in order to choose a new name for a street in the french version. Despite "Montcuq" won this vote, Hasbro NEVER keeps its promise.
a little video about these FACTS: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3iezo_montcuq-dans-le-monopoly
and now you do it again? just shameful, guys!
you try to play viral marketing, and according to me, you loosed.
the entire world just know now that HASBRO = LITTLE JOKERS.
shame on you!
Why cant we buy Train Stations?
Este post en español en
http://monopolyparaarmar.blogspot.com/
gracias!
What's the deal with being able to bulldoze bonus buildings that say the street can't be bulldozed on? What's the point of a bonus building then. That and folks negating current hazards with bonus buildings, even though the rules say it doesn't work that way?
My account got compromised and I cannot recover it. Anyway for you to attach the accounts to email addresses so people can recover them more easily?
could you create a new icon next to property for chance cards. I hate to discard and then find out I need it right afterwards.
I would be careful about checking multiple accounts, if you block ips, people with nat will not be able to play and other ways are easy to ommit.
Better way would be creating rules, that it wouldn't be profitable.
Chances Cards - i also think, that storing cards is great idea. It would be nice if we also could see offers in some place.
the leader has a score of 1,192,443,505,000
how is that even possible, even if someone cheats out of his wits????
he must've definitely hacked into your system or found a loop hole
im only at 13M, and the leaders score seems to be too out of reach to me, he has only 12 streets with no buildings on the few i checked
plus all his streets are full of hazards
It's not the first time Hasbro is lying to the www.
Just remember the "Montcuq" story in France: Monopoly organized a vote in order to choose a new name for a street in the french version. Despite "Montcuq" won this vote, Hasbro NEVER keeps its promise.
a little video about these FACTS: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3iezo_montcuq-dans-le-monopoly
and now they do it again? just shameful, guys!
they try to play viral marketing, and according to me, they loosed.
the entire world just know now that HASBRO = LITTLE JOKERS.
shame on you!
"cheating going on in the game. "
hahaha!
the only party wich is really cheating, is YOU guys, with your 1.5 time rule...
is the McGill Thomson house for sale???? hahaha
I've been playing for the past 3 days, legitimately at first, but decided once it looked like a Reset was on the horizon, I created a cheat account to see what it's like on the other side. I have to say that while my legit account made me feel morally good, it was boring as hell. The cheat account was exciting to play, until I got bombarded by bulldozers and hazards (by the way, I think there's some hacking going on, the very same person sent 7 bulldozers and 5 hazards to me within 2 minutes, I highly DOUBT that was done with Chance cards). But I'm not here to whine about that, it was done as an experiment to see what will happen when/if I ever got to the top of a leaderboard. I have to say, it's no real incentive to win.
The one thing that hits me hardest about this game is that it's truly NOT Monopoly. This is more of a "Real Estate Wars" game and I personally feel the developers along with Hasbro are doing a HUGE disservice to the original game by misnaming it. The main feature which distinguishes the two is CHANCE - not the card, the concept. In Monopoly, you roll dice to decide what fate has in store for you. In this game, everything is determined by personal choice. Without the element of choice playing a pivotal role, this game will turn out like every other online clan war game, with better(?) graphics and real-world street names. Simply look at the posts on the unofficial (and official) fan sites on the first day about Alliances. Sure, in Classic Monopoly, people gang up on the perceived winner, but other than seeing a stack of money and cards, here you can look through someone's complete portfolio and see how much they have down to the dollar.
I have doubts that the beta testers were asked to contemplate on how this game reflected on the original, or even if they were asked. At any rate, I'm not clear I will be back with the relaunch, I may just sit out a bit and come back in November once things are better planned and executed.
Best of luck to the players and regards to the developers who, in my opinion, failed to bring Monopoly to the world board, but made an "interesting" version of a clan war game.
A bonus building says: "This street is protected from Hazards and Bulldozers by a Bonus building." Yet I just had my bonus building demolished. Please clarify exactly what bonus buildings are capable of and what they're not--I thought "this street is protected" meant it was protected, and the bonus building was safe too. Do I need two bonus buildings for the street to be truly safe??
Another bad idea is allowing to build multiple hazards for streets/users - best players are "attacked" by tons of opponents.
It's impossible to come with that.
I think there should be some limit of hazards per user/street, let's say that player can't have more hazards than 50% of the number of his streets.
Otherwise no one can stay "good player" for long time.
And the number of hazard cards is too big, almost all chances i've been given has been hazards.
@: vkajot at google
Speeking of bulldozing, whenever I get a bulldozer card I can't use it. Am I missing something?
the important thing that HASBRO's TEAM forgot, is that 99% of FIRST-PLAYERS are geeks and webmasters.
if MonopolyCityStreets buzzs, that's only because this game appears to be funny for geeks and webmasters.
webmasters and geeks are always the firts when a new "buzz" borns.
who detains the power on the www?
webmasters and geeks, of course.
with this anti-democratic reset, HASBRO did a big mistake...
it's never a good thing, to frustrate 99% of GEEKS and WEBMASTERS...
@Thom, you need to click the + sign next to the property you wish to demolish.
Is every street available to buy, I have had trouble with local smaller streets - seems unfair when you say, buy any street you want!
@renzo, @PACE2,
Read the FAQS. The streets are taken from http://www.openstreetmap.org
Add you own city to it if you want the streets. I guess someone is editing the smaller city, but nobody took time to add the biggest one (I just added my own city to the database, but one city, bigger, East of it don't have any data yet.)
@Staff
You should really update your database with the last data from OpenStreet before the reset. I guess I'm not the only one who took time to include his own city.
Keep the good work :)
Hi, I've been playing and it's showing that the city of Bradford, PA is in New York when it's supposed to be in PA seeing as it's my hometown :) it's pretty close to the NY border though, maybe a 10 minute drive. Towns right south show correctly in PA though. Thanks for fixing it!
@shameonyou if you have Weltschmerz and personal problems with HASBRO try to keep that for you.
No one forces you to play.
I want to recommend something to you guys who developed Monopoly City Streets.
Contact other browserbasedgames developers and get more info on how people cheat.
Don't reinvent the wheel.
Hope my comment helped.
@Mike,
Read my other comments. If your town is not at the right place or right state, it means someone made a mistake on OpenStreet. Just go there and correct it. I doubt the game staff have time to look at each person street problem.
My friend list still doesn't work. It still gives me the Our Servers Are Down error in the little box whenever I click it.
Mr. Monopoly,
This was a learning opportunity. I've analysed some cheaters' behaviors. Mainly for money laundry. Please do this security checks.
1- There is a lot of 0$ streets out there. So you can laundry money since the very start of the match. Look the player IOWNMTL
2- The game is not respecting the 7 days to accept automatically the offers. Look the player JIONG.
3- The password system is making a mess with small letters and capital letters. It is how the people is blocking the others. Look the players PAULO.
thanks. that sounds promising.
@vkajot: "if you have Weltschmerz and personal problems with HASBRO try to keep that for you.
No one forces you to play."
oh thank you DAD!
I have been playing the game since the launch and still playing or I should say experimenting strategies after I saw the relaunch msg...
Two things I found of most concern...
1. Use of multiple accounts / pushing accounts.
2. The overall scoring system.
Multi/pushing accounts is always an issue in online games specially in these genre of games where resources can be sent to the main account. Now it is really difficult to stop this no matter how many sorts of measure you take. Though many ppl may suggest to limit one account per IP address scenario, it is not feasible as a good amount of people all over the world are behind NATs (not everyone is lucky to have their own static IP). Besides, using proxy servers anyone easily avoid such checks...
Hence, my suggestion would be to make rules such that it is not possible to trade among accounts having same IP along with making sure pushing accounts dont really add up much of use. And blocking multiple times trading of the same street.
Now about the score system, I think it is very badly flawed... It should only take into account the property values and total cash of a player. Right now, I think it just add but do not subtract anything as you sell/trade or as opponents demolish your buildings.... Please before the relaunch at least change the scoring system. This will really make the game more interesting.
A small example is a player having only 3 streets scores 36 million while another player (me) having over 25 streets (at least 4 of them have more values than his threes)scores only 15 million. This happened he just traded his st with the multiple pusher accounts...
There are lot of other concerns too... like the real purpose of the bonus / hazard buildings as none of them are performing the tasks they ought to perform. (bonus can be demolished, hazard can be repelled by bonus) and so on...
Please have some sensible thoughts on such issues and change the game code to reflect such. As a computer science masters myself, I think it is hardly enough change in coding...
I am sure other players who are reading and commenting on this blog will agree with me...
regards,
km.asif
i would like to see more big citys mostly in China, for example Nanchang. This city has 300 000 000 people and still there is no street of it. Would you add please, at last this one city.
Also i have a question what you call cheating? I wonder if a family has just one IP (for example one PC) but have 5 members and all want to play the game. What will happen?
@Lingsrobin,
Before posting, check the previous posts and read the FAQS. If a city is not available, it means that's it have not been added to OpenStreet. Go there, and add it yourself.
I agree with km.asif, the bonuses and hazards are not performing as they should. I got one of my bonuses bulldozed on my high yield roads and now I have 2 hazards placed on them. This shouldn't of happened. I was ranked #1 in my local area and now that I just lost 2.75Mil of my income I'm hurting.
I find the balance of this game really weird.
You get what, 1 chance card a day?
So far today I've had 2 hazards placed on 2 different streets and had 4 buildings bulldozed... and I haven't gotten a single chance card today, neither a bulldozer to get rid of hazards nor a bonus building to negate them.... and I've got nothing to fight back with.
So people can basically gang up on you... and you get to fight one of the attacks off each day... if you're lucky?
Very strange balance indeed :\
thank you, okay i am sorry. i read all "cheating" topic but did not found an answer..
More features, otherwise very boring!!
@Lingsrobin,
Sorry, I was speaking about the missing city, not cheating :)
For cheating, well, we will see what's happening in the next few days. I'm sure they will come with something.
Cheers.
okay thank you very much. The "restart" means that all will be delated right?
I don't understand the logic behind which streets are available in a given town/city.
As an example, the city of Brighton,UK has according to a quick google a population of 155,000 people. The city of Huelva,Spain has a population of 140,000 people. Why are there in the order of 20 times more streets available in Brighton? And it is nothing to do with the size of the streets, because there are big avenues not available in Huelva and very small streets available in Brighton.
I'm sure this applies to half the world...
If that is the way it is, fine, but the ad that dragged me to the game was "buy any street in the world"...
@Lingsrobin,
I guess so. I'm not an admin ;)
I guess they are also going to update the street database before (or I wish so, I don't want to have lost 10h of my life adding my town for nothing :)).
The point is, if you want to have streets added, you should add them to OpenStreet before the reset, because I have a doubt they are going to update the list of streets after the restart :)
@Dan,
Don't want to repeat myself, check at all my previous messages, read the FAQS, and go check OpenStreet.
@Kickban - is there a way we can add more streets? In my city there are a ton of streets but only like 2 are purchasable.
Can we get some clarification on bonus buildings? Do they stop bulldozing or not?
Nobody will ever really build a "real estate empire" if streets can't be secured.
Also I have a street that is clearly bugged.
It insists that it is fully developed but other players can see 1 building cone and then of course they place a hazard on it.
Next time you guys release something like this, maybe consult some of the mmorpg companies that have experience in releasing games that millions of people rush to play and relentlessly exploit.
prophecy: after the reset, there will be thousands of cheating methods, DDOS attacks, multi-accounts, hacking attempts.
will the HASBRO TEAM reset the game twice a day again?
best regards
This blog sucks.
You answer hundreds of quesions on Twitter but practically answer no one here.
Could you at least make a recap of the answers answered on twitter and post them here?
Ok thx bye
@Greg,
Well, the street database Monopoly is using is located at http://www.openstreetmap.org. You should go there, register, and start editing your own town.
The staff can't automagically guess the streets, and they took their data from there. There is something in the FAQS about regular updates on the cities, and I guess they are going to do another update before the reset.
Go to this website, register, and add your town before the reset, that should do the trick :)
prophecy: after the reset, there will be thousands of cheating methods, thousands of DDOS attacks, thousands of multi-accounts, thousands of hacking attempts.
will the HASBRO TEAM reset the game twice a day again?
best regards
How can my properties got spammed by 4 demolish n 4 hazards within a minute by 2 players with quite similar names. The system is not being hacked is it??
Great news to hear you guys are re-starting the game, Some idiot created like 10 accounts in my town and started trading from one account to another got a fortune overnight and made me stop playing. I hope you limit the accounts to one per IP or I dont think I will be playing monopoly on here with all the looser cheaters who have nothing better to do with their time than to create multiple accounts.
desde España!
hi..i made an offer and now the money's gone and am lost on how to check status. is there a way you guys can put up a offer tab...to make on offers...check on the offers you make...offer streets for sale...recall offers you made...stuff like that.
or do i wait for 7 days to see my money back? (or not.)
@shameonyou:
Your horrific grammar REALLY hurts your case bro.
Please, MORE BONUS OR DEMOLISH cards!!!
I've got several street and have nothing to do with them because of the hazards. I always get other cards than bonus or demolish.
@aaron - Now that the exploits have been revealed, hacking and cheating has increased.
@Kickban - Thanks a lot man! Just realized that my area isn't mapped at all at OpenStreetMap. One thing though is that there are streets that are mapped but not buyable in the game....I guess what I was trying to get at before, is there a certain attribute or something that the streets need to have in order to be buyable in the game? I don't expect you to have the answer, unless you made the game... lol
I dont feel like reading through the comments, so sorry if this was posted.
Email checks or something so people can have 1 account? Playing with more then one is cheating ;-)
thank you, but why they won't update after the refdo of the game?
@Jamie,
There is a huge portion of the world population use internet behind NAT (one static IP used by the ISP for serving over 1000s sometimes). So, limiting one account per IP is certainly not a viable option. Besides, the ones who want to make multi/push accounts can easily do it using proxy servers.... As I suggested in my previous comment, the game team needs to find methods to minimize the benefit of multi/push accounts.
Ok, Cheating definitely a problem when it comes to revenge.
I've got all of my property bulldozed and sabotaged within the same hour.
JUST NOW!
And the names are just amazingly unimaginative:
Jerod
Jerodly
cosmicshadow
cosmicfiend
chronos
choronofiend
.
.
.
with many others
And some are clearly acting in unison with each other.
I mean, i'd give a offer for a street, say owned by A.
And then A, B, C, D would then sequentially sabotage my streets and buildings for the next two days, and now all my streets gives no rent.
I mean... come on. What is this. legitimate users loss interests as they get ganged on by another user.
This could only go on down a downward spiral if not controlled.
I mean, I am very very tempted to create a bunch of accounts just to get back at them/he
@BrightPrestige: "Your horrific grammar REALLY hurts your case bro."
Sure Harry, sure.
I'm french and I hope you speak french as well I speak english.
prophecy: after the reset, there will be thousands of cheating methods, thousands of DDOS attacks, thousands of multi-accounts, thousands of hacking attempts.
will the HASBRO TEAM reset the game twice a day again?
Took awhile to figure out how to select a street, they way you guys state it, "just click on the street" well not you have to pick the street from the search box, Then you say look for the purple bank owned streets, Well I hardly see blue streets, I have never seen a bank owned street. I have to look for the blue or purple cards on the search box.
Then you say if you dont see the street, just grab and select..????? what the heck is that all about, Now last thing rent collection, what time of the day does that come, per reigon or ZULU time what, our time zone ???
HASBRO TEAM said: "Glad to hear the good feedback"
how can Hasbro lie like that?
what about the thousands of players you betray?
you just erase bad comments, that's all you done. what a pity...
what about the hours spended because of your non-professionnal hardware?
I hope a big part of the world wide web will denounce your amateurism.
It's not the first time Hasbro is lying to the www.
Just remember the "Montcuq" story in France: Monopoly organized a vote in order to choose a new name for a street in the french version. Despite "Montcuq" won this vote, Hasbro NEVER keeps its promise.
a little video about these FACTS: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3iezo_montcuq-dans-le-monopoly
and now you do it again? just shameful, guys!
you try to play viral marketing, and according to me, you loosed.
the entire world just know now that HASBRO = LITTLE JOKERS.
shame on you!
@Greg,
That's a good question. I looked at a well covered town in France (Bordeaux), and Residential, Tertiaries and Secondaries roads are all included (didn't check the primaries, as they are supposed to be highways).
What I realised is that the street NEED to have a name and the name must match the Google map name (this second point is arguable, one of my friends told me this, but I was not able to verify).
You should check that the street have the name properly defined (there is a check box in OpenStreet to show the unnamed street in bright red).
Good luck :)
Another possibility is that someone was faster than you to update the map AFTER the last Monopoly update (that's why I'm pushing for another update before the reset ;))
There absolutely needs to be a way for a player to view all of the outstanding offers that he or she has made, along with the cash and streets that were offered. Right now, I click on a street that I own and the game tells me that I have used it in a pending offer, but I can't keep track of which offer it was a party of. Nor can I find a button through which the game will give me that information.
I can't believe how much time I have put into this Monopoly game lately. Don't get me wrong, I find the whole thing intruiging, but really, this much time. Are having the same life questions when it comes to Monopoly?
shameonyou, even if this is viral marketing, its still a free game, right? so why dont you relax a bit ;-)
Have you tracked down the actual source of these problems (bugs, glitches, scripts, exploits, etc.)?
See screen shots:
http://mymonopolycitystreets.info/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=95&start=20
@Gormnt: OK you are, of course, true.
I just can't bear the pseudo-democratic reset method.
can you understand this?
According to me, the fake poll was not a method. It is just a totalitarian method.
I am finding a problem with the bonus buildings. You first of all should not be able to build a bonus building on a street where a hazard is already built as that defeats the point of the hazard, since it stops working. As well, it says when a bonus building is built on a street you can not bulldoze anything, but I have been able to bulldoze the bonus buildings, which seems like an error. Hopefully, you can fix these two things.
I still have a glitch. I can not access the friends portion of the leaderboard. It makes it really difficult to compare myself to my friends in other cities. I was able to access it the first day, and now it will not load no matter how many times I try. I created a new account (not to cheat) but to see if I could access the friend board with it, and it works perfectly. I believe the glitch is tied to my first account. I have not used my second account to help the first one in any way, I just wanted to see if I could get the friends page to load that way. Now I use that account to see how much worth my friends have accumulated and who is leading on the scoreboard. Thanks for your attention to this matter.
Jadey
The developers must be from Florida because only Floridians think that Vermont is a part of Canada. :-) Vermont is in fact NOT a part of Canada, it is a state. Might wanna fix that. :-D
@Heather,
Check my previous messages. Go to OpenStreet and correct the mistake :p
(And no, I'm not part of the OpenStreet dev team ;))
why HASBRO TEAM didn't decide to put a pop-up on all players' accounts, in order to inform them for the poll?
why HASBRO TEAM didn't respected firsts players?
this is not cool, guys. this is totally unfair.
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Please, limit 2 accounts per IP and/or no buy/sell between them ...
There are no streets to sell in many cities, thats a big problem ...
@ShameonYou
Oh, I didn't know that, I'm sorry. I would never have made fun of you if I knew that French was your original language.
This game official sucks, our Bonus magically disappeared today, as well as whole roads we owned with lots of properties on them :(
@shameonyou, RELAX! It's a free game. Did you have too much caffeine today?
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@ Amano Bonsai: "Please, limit 2 accounts per IP and/or no buy/sell between them "
it would change nothing: for example, in France, we can change our IP as often as we want to.
We just need to disconnect and reconnect the modem, and we have a new IP.
fun, isn't it?
some people never herad of dynamic IP but want to make suggetions
very funny !!!
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Mr Monopoly - please can we see some more detail within this blog.
Although I understand that this game is more of a marketing exercise for monopoly cities, people are really interested in playing the game and surely the response you've received indicates that this could be a commercially viable operation after January 2010.
Unfortunately these short posts so far don't seem to offer any reassurance that cheating will be resolved, future resets avoided, or that game mechanics will be improved. As a result, I don't think people will be committed to continuing to play the game.
I'd like to see posts which address each issue in turn, e.g. multiple accounts, being slammed with hazards / bulldozers in quick succession, etc.
Thanks and I hope to be able to enjoy playing after the reset.
@donlad: "RELAX! It's a free game. Did you have too much caffeine today?"
I try to relax, but I can not. I never can bear injustice and unfairness, sorry for that.
No sure if this has been mentioned before. I think the money should be a continual stream or updated every 10 minutes or so. This will allow the game to be more streamline instead of waiting 24 hours for another 5 minutes of play. The money could be broken down from the 24 hour income each player has created.
@kickban
I am seeing lots of streets and whole towns in openstreetmap that are not forsale in the game.
OK - at least you are very honest :)
You need to do something about those damn chance cards,everyone in the game and i mean EVERYONE HAS A DAMN HAZZARD ON THEIR STREET,so it's not making any sense...
Please do something about that,and also please index more streets ...
@Jerok,
Tell me where so I can check. For what I have understood, the streets need to be properly named. Maybe the modifications have been done after the last monopoly update.
(I'm not affiliated to either Monopoly or OpenStreet, just a dedicated player :))
@kickban unless it was just corrected Vermont is most certainly not listed as part of canada in Openstreetmap.
@Heather the Vermont, Quebec boarder looks fine to me and the Vermont definitely appears to be south of the Canadian border. Where were you seeing it saying vermont was part of canada?
I understand but may I say - Everyone sucks that cheating is such a problem ;-) Why can't we just have some fun?
@Kickban
Vineland, Ontario is in both the game and Openstreetmap. Yet none of the streets are available for purchase. Lots of streets in Niagara aren't available to purchase including major streets in St. Catharines.
@Jerok,
It was just a suggestion about Canada. I'm not from this part of the World :) If indeed Vermont is misrepresented in the game, maybe it is a proper bug, and not a OpenStreet mistake.
@Jerok,
I checked Vineland, and it looks correct to me. Hum, maybe it is a real bug after all.
@Gormnt
personnaly, I had fun with the 1rst version of the game.
I was happy with my little local streets. My parents' street, my family's streets. I don't want to win this game, I'm not able to win it. I don't care to win this game.
Yes, I was very happy with my little streets. I spended hours for them.
@Jerok,
or someone added the whole town since the begining of the game. I know that Biarritz in France had only a few roads available before Monopoly, but I put together the whole town in the last few days.
To someone checking both Monopoly and OpenStreet, it would appear that there is a bug.
It is hard to say as the modifications lists on OpenStreet are nearly impossible to decipher.
Longer streets in the former USSR have several instances. Might be because their names are also shown in several languages (in Cyrilic and Latin alphabet).
Hope, the notice will be useful and noticed here.
Okay a few little more bugs I've noticed,
1. keep deleting my Alerts but give it a few minutes or when I log back in they are all back there.
2. The chance cards, as someone said before the balance seems to be wrong, I've never had a bulldoze card, but a few hazard cards and yet got lots of hazard on property(maybe thats a personal gripe because been unlucky!)
3. Also when I try to discard demolish chance cards, they come right back when I next log in- so I am forced to have to use them...
4. It seems some people are setting up duplicate account, just to get extra chance cards - is that being addressed???
Finally some ideas - with so many hazard cards, its so easy for someone to be knocked out the game, perhaps have hazard cards that are weighted so it only destroy 10%, 25%, 50%... rent - only one hazard per street - and perhaps the open ability to pay to have the hazards remove - perhaps the cost being based on the overall price of the street.
@VarSan,
sound like someone on OpenStreet putted each street twice, one for the name in Cyrilic and one for the Latin alphabet. Lucky you, you can buy each road twice ;)
(As I don't know how it is possible to correct this without butchering OpenStreet ;))
the chance cards need some expire time
this will prevent many exploits
I have a Demolish any building you like card. how do you get it to work?
@Kickban there's unnamed streets in St. Catharines and stuff. I don't know how to edit street names. I seem to be able to add streets though.
@dlewis0160
click on building u want to demolish
then click on the red plus icon
and select demolish
@jerok re Vermont and Canada, if you click on a street in Vermont, the deed card says Vermont, Canada
@Kickban that was OpenStreet Map that was missing the name not the game.
@Jerok,
Well, it take a bit of practice ;) Took me a few hours to understand the way OpenStreet behave.
You should try to click on the street you want to name, and reselect the kind of street (like Residential, etc), and this will add the 'name' line where you can put the name.
Alternativly, you can click on the small + button at the bottom right, and it add a property line you can edit (change the type to street, the name of the propertie to name, and the value to the actual name).
Like I said, good luck ;) It take a bit of practice to get it work, but once you managed to pass the first painfull hours, it is pretty quick and strait forward (i want from 2 streets in 10 minutes to a full block in 5 in about 2h training).
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Dear Mr Monopoly,
There is a problem in Israel, we can buy streets and it works great, however the map is missing under the streets, please have a look at the screenshot and see by yourself: http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8577/monoil.png
Thank you, the speed is muuuuuuuch better, it's even super-fast now! Keep up the good work.
Kal
@coride,
good point - would be great to be able to buy airports and sea ports as well
יש איזה ברית של ישראלים ?
Important that the restart of the game the streets change, but it will be easier for those who go straight start in the streets they already know.
[ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ]
Importante que no restart do jogos as ruas mudem, porque senão irá ficar fácil para quem iniciar ir direto nas ruas que já conhecem.
I suggest the feature to hold chance cards. Also, it seems that the street system isn't 100%, but I guess that doesn't really matter.
I agree, I had fun just buying up my streets, streets I drive on a lot, wasn't really going for the big streets.
Now i'm sad because I am constantly being attacked for little streets and I had my account hijacked =( lol.
Uhm, OpenStreetMap is very interesting, I'm editing streets too.
But, turning to Monopoly... I can`t see my Friends List! :/
@Chris,
OpenStreetMap is really addictive isn't it ? I wanted to add my block, and couldn't stop myself, telling myself 'one more street' and I ended adding my whole town ^^
@Kickban
Yes, I`m editing a lot of streets in my city and I hope we can use these streets in Monopoly after the reset.
How do you fix hazards?
Polish forum: http://monopoly.gcity.pl
I'd like to have a better place to post bug reports, where you could easily check if something was already reported - hopefully fixed...
Its nice how people can sabatoge all my streets and bulldoze buildings when i have protected buildings on them. Oh yeah it was the same guy who used about 15 chance cards on me within 5 minutes. Nice random chance cards and its nice that the protected buildings do nothing.
Avoid cheating!
What if a property cannot be sold for less than the previous buying cost? Would that solve the selling for more, buying back for less??
What a terrible experience. I put all this effort into setting myself up for what I am assured will be a game that goes on for several months. I resign in other strategy games. I spend ages fighting an infrastructure thats not fit-for-purpose but somehow manage to get myself the streets I want, with much effort and time spent. And then Im told it will be reset so this is all wasted.
What a terrible experience this has been. How unrewarding.
Have a street that I sold previously, it continues to tell me I still own it on my property tab, but of course when I go there it offers to let me buy it.
Seriously frustrated. In my city, I have been leader since day 1, and its only a punishment to be on the leaderboards... Came back day 2 and 2 of my streets were bulldozed (my bonus buildings), and sabotaged, but managed to get the rent later that day with some extra cash buying small buildings and hoping on chance cards.
Day 3 was ridiculous. Had half my buildings demolished, and all my streets had hazards. At this point, I had to cheat to get enough money to fish for chance cards to get bulldozers. And damn, try to get retribution, I can't find the people who sabotaged me even. Friend's list keeps saying 'Server Down' whenever I click it, so I can't add people to it to at least get some sort of revenge. How about a way to actually find people, or at least a list of people in your area (unsorted) you can sabotage as a default, not always the leaderboardsr.
As it stands, as of the reset, I'm aiming to be #2 in the local standings, #1 just makes you too much of a bloody target.
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Chance cards come up depending on how much activity you have in a session. If you build tons of the tiny houses, you may be getting a chance card every 2-6 builds - or so I've found.
In that way, it is possible that someone could be loading you up with hazards - they build many cheap houses, get a bunch of cards and choose to use them on a near rival. It's not really a cheat - it's just a sneaky wee trick!
Isn't it payout time now?!
To prevent collusion and price fixing, sale of player owned street must only be sold on an auction that is announced to all players.
It's weird that the "Friends" tab is mostly for tracking enemies... keep your friends close and your enemies closer, I guess.
Here's a great example of people cheating... buying and selling to themselves with different accounts to rack up money...
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/6100/cheati.jpg
do not reset the game without another vote now that the game is playable. now that people have spent the time playing, they won't want to start over. i will personally never play this game again if a reset takes place. have one last vote!
ATTENTION PLEASE!!!
How do i get high rent on buildings?
I see some people witha £50,000 house and get £50,000 daily rent from it! how come? please answe, theres a cookie in it for you!
@walker01
seems to just depend on the street...
YOu got to add Campo Grande to the map is the capital of the state of Mato Grosso do Sul in Brazil!!
PLeaase!!
@walker01 - The two cheapest buildings give back the full amount that the building cost but the margin between cost and rent widens the higher up in the chain you go.
hi im not gettin any rent or the 100000 evrey day
I'm very frustrated that I've not received any Chance Cards. How does one trigger them? I thought they were supposed to occur randomly but despite all the time i've spent on the site since the launch, i haven't seen anything.
@Greg it also depends on the value of the street; only million-plus streets give full value for cheap buildings.
Getting rents once per day leaves very limiting time to play. Maybe it would be a good idea to divide daily rent per hour and give it to players every hour. This way one may log in more than once per day and enjoy the game.
I just realized I couldn't buy any streets in Macau, if it could be fixed by the reset it would really good.
I don't have any famous street but I am happy with I have.
Why I have to start everything again?
Just close the accounts with more than 30M (or any reasonable amount) and just keep people that are happy with their streets.
Just insert a kind of security when someone enter in their account like insert an email and confirm your subscription.
Also, some rules can be created like you can buy some street back just one month after sale it (or something like that) but reset the game will be a disrespect to people that are playing in a fair way.
Just do in a different way: how many user are registered and how many are complaining?
Dear Google people,
I have absolutely no idea why you guys need to rush it and reset next week. I mean, in the beginning you wanted to see how it will go, take your time to create something proper. 31Jan2010 seemed like a fair amount of time to find out all the ways people cheat, people abuse the game, their strategies. You would have had enough time to really listen to some of us, in a constructive manner to create a "game for people". The game is good, but there need to be done a lot of improvements.
By rushing it like this, you will only sort of the hardware stuff behind the scenes, and I appreciate that, you have done a great job, my maps run good. But there are still problems, glitches, loopholes and ways to go around the game.
We all could have discussed negotiating, selling, buying better. Few items could have been added as well. Now I am not asking for something enormously big and heavy, but with a few more weeks under your belt, the result would have been much better.
I would not be surprised if even after the reset bonus buildings will be demolished (even though it says otherwise in the rules/faq), people will be earning billions and having heaps of demolition tools in a mere 3 minutes.
Keep it free please.
Keep up the work, take your time.
Don't overthink the "multiple accounts" cheat, those who really want it will get it anyway, but making it "one IP-one account" will poetentially cut the number of players (since not every sibling in the family would have their own personal computer, they are bound to use the same computer/laptop, hence one will be blocked?).
Keep it free.
Thank you for your time and effort, good luck.
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TIPS for TI TEAM! Curitiba, Brazil has a HUGE dead zone. The main streets are down. Please, fix it.
Another thing i want to say.. MAKE A SEARCH NOT SO LOCAL. When i need to buy some street i literaly have to look all world down to find something avaliable (purple ones)
Would be very nice if we could search in a hole country or a hole city the avaliable streets without have to look street by street, or block for block. Now it's been really dificult find streets to buy in the game. and you know ... it's just 3 days on!
Finaly, for negotiation pourposes would be realy nice a simple msg system.
Good luck, folks! Now i'm waiting for the reset.
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Good game so far, but as others have posted, it gets quite boring fast.
Suggestion.
When it comes to demolition, it seems quite unfair that any building can be destroyed. For example, it is just as easy to destroy a 5 million$ building as it is to destroy a 50,000$ house. Maybe one of two ways can solve this to make it more fair. 1) You can only destroy a building of a certain class level if you yourself have already achieved that level. 2) Ability to combine demolition cards to destroy more expensive buildings.
ONE MORE BIG PROBLEM...IS FINDING EMPTY STREETS...
2 PROBLEMS THERE...ONE COS OF THE CHEATERS...OTHER COS...IN MOST OF THE COUNTRIES OTHER THAN COUPLE OF STREETS...MOST OF THE STREETS...INCLUDING MAJOR ROADWAYS ARE NOT ON THE LIST OF PURCHASE...THOUGH U CAN SEE THEM TAGGED CLEARLY ON THE MAP...
SO...WHEN U RESET PLZ...MAKE ALL STREETS PURCHASEABLE...ATLEAST THE MAIN STREETS IN EACH AND EVERY CITY...SO THT PEOPLE WHO JOIN IN LATE DONT HAVE TO JUST KEEP SEARCHING AND NEVER FIND A ROUTE FOR SALE...MAY BE U CAN HAVE A LIST SYSTEM OF SHOWING ALL THE STREETS AVAILABLE INA CITY...NOT JUST AND AREA...
AND MOST IMPORTANT...IF U DONT FIND A WAY TO COMMUNICATE BETWEEN PLAYERS...THEN THERE IS NO POINT OF A MULTIPLAYER GAME...ITS ALL ABOUT THE CUMMUNITY GUYS...NOT JUST INDIVIDUAL WIN...:)!
I just waited twenty four hours for my rent only to get screwed out of 2/3 of it through chance cards.
Screw this game. It gives you two options: cheat or sit around doing nothing.
Maybe the protections against multiple accounts will help, but I think there should be a little help for getting rid of hazards. I woke up the other morning and 6 different accounts all built hazards on my streets. Every day I buy properties to try and generate chance cards, but I have yet to get a bulldozer; so I am essentially stuck. Some kind of algorithm where if you have all or most of your streets blocked by hazards, maybe better chance at getting a bulldozer card.
I hate the Chance cards.
I built a few buildings and lost 600k, 2.2m, and 2.6m!
I lost M$ 5,800,000 from fricken chance cards! That is too much money to lose this early in the game. There is no way to win that much money.
M$ 5,400,000 ***
would that be possible to have more cards?? :D it makes that game more exciting :)
@ Safeway
Ditto, I had $ 9 M and just lost almost half of it through CHANCE cards, while I only won maybe 0.5 M. WTF!!
Between losing all my money via CHANCE cards and getting my streets hazarded, I feel like I'm just playing against CHANCE cards.
What a load of bull.
I WANT MY MONEY BACK!
Someone just bulldozed a bonus building on my street. I thought a bonus building was supposed to protect a street from bulldozers...?
Also, will we keep our usernames once it's reset?
BUG...
Got a chance card that knocked my balance into the red, so negative money. I'd read about something earlier and checked it; relogged and balance was positive again by the same amount it had been negative.
Wow, that's easy! But as I don't cheat... there it is, buggity bug bug bug.
Another cheater... it's rampant
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5854/cheaterie.jpg
This may/may not have been mentioned, but I had a hazard placed on a street and i got a chance card for a bonus building and i was able to place the bonus building on that street with the hazard. The tooltip fr the street then changed to "this is protected, etc, etc" and rent has been restored but the hazrd building still remains on my street.
It seems logical that a bonus would overrule a hazard, but should the hazard building then be removed automatically as part of the 'placing the bonus building' function?
Just got my cash and got a chance card with a penalty of almost $2 Million dollars! LMAO!!! There' goes my 5 minutes of gameplay, now it's only 1...for the whole day! lmao... so funny.
Don't reset. Unfair to loyal folks who were hitting F5 when the game opened. If you do reset, allow early players to retain property.
These chance card penalties are ridiculously high.
MAJOR BUG - when selling a street back to the bank, it doesn't account for the buildings. TO maximize the sale back to you have to sell each building back individually. BUMMER.
Just thought that I would report a series of streets that are unable to be purchased.
These are all in Chatswood, Sydney, Australia:
Kareela Road,
Clarke Street,
Wood Street,
Blue Gum Avenue,
View Street
Before I bought a separate street, I saw these ones on the list, but now they are no longer there.
Not owned by anyone or anything. Just not able to be bought.
guys can we please bear with them and put in mind that this game is free.do not expect to get a butler service for a free game,there will be glitches every now and then. what we could do as players is to report it but not like some of you who i think have a real problem with hasbro.
so just sit back relax and enjoy the game
Games is boring now. Only fun for 10 mins a day. Buy some stuff, respond to a few offers, construct a few bldgs, and forget about it till tomorrow night when rent comes in.
You guys have a ways to go with this game. And when you reset, I am outta here, like most early adopters. Anyone want to go create a Widget Baron Game (control the worldwide market for widgets), Internet Baron (draw polylines as broadband networks to sign up all the subs in neighborhoods), Logistics (like Railroad Tycoon), etc? There are a million angles to combine spatial data with MMO, with web services, with social nets.
This is just Google Maps API, Flash/Flex and some lame social networking components. Someone's gonna go to school on the agency Hasbro hired and create a real killer in this space.
P.S. Also lame not to put this on cloud infrastructure from Amazon (EC2/S3), or even Google, Microsoft, et al for that matter from the start. "We threw 3x more hardware at it?" Please. There are cloud infrastructures that should have been the starting hardware platform for something like this.
Once you will reset the game, maybe there is time to give some feedback.
1 - once i propose a buy i can not to alter my proposal until the other part solve it. This way, i see two problems, first the person who receive my proposal can mantain locked the money and the properties i put in the offer for almost 7 days, and not accept, two, i can not raise my offer if anybody offers more than me. this may reduce the commerce. i wil think 2 times before lock my funds this way
2 there is some bugs: i could not add streets on the counter-offer, and appears to me that the window wich the offers does not count the streets offered value offered
cbas destroy my bonus building!!!!!!! CHEATER
About multiple accounts... lets seethe good side:
some times there are 2 to 3 friends playing it with me, in my home, and there is trading betwenn us! this improve the fun! to see how we react to each other, for example, if one destroy the others building.... it is awesome!
if u let us undo the offers, people will be worried to respond quicker
A "bug" I found:
In the FAQ, if a hazard building is present before a bonus building, the hazard must be destroyed after the bonus building is placed to regain rent.
I have a hazard on my street. I put down a bonus building I got from my chance card. Then I got a bulldozer. I cannot bulldoze the hazard. Also, it shows my street as protected and earning rent.
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How can a bonus building be bulldozed? Completely goes against the point.
OK Ive changed my mind about the reset. Go ahead and do it, this game is so bad, I dont care if I lose my account. There are so many bugs and so much bad gameplay (adn lack of social things) I can see now how this becomes pointless and unentertaining very quickly. And yes, its free, and so are others, and they are SOOOO much better.
Maybe next time you should focus on the gameplay and the strategy and the functions instead of the graphics and the interface and maybe theyd be able to make a half decent game. As for this one, it should never have been let out of Beta. Shame on the project leaders for producing this baloney.
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My final post, promise:
1) Fix Multi-Account Issue by having more strict signup process
2) Don't ban IPs. I live in Canada but I've traveled to other countries where internet cafes run on one IP so they would really be screwed since that's all they have.
3) If the multi-account issue is fixed, take off the cap for selling streets, it's not real Monopoly when it's capped. Capitalism is a good thing.
4) Fix bonus buildings! Since these are rare, they should do what they say they do and should protect the street which secures income for the player.
5) Change the income intervals 1 day is way too long.
6) Fix Streets!! It's so weird how you can have one large street that's broken up into several pieces.
7) Add more streets. How do you guys select what's up for sale and what can't be bought? In my area where I live, all the residential streets can't be bought but we can build house on the highway?? Messed up in my opinion.
8) Fix buying streets. How to buy them is not clear, you could be right over a street, use the buy now button and it doesn't show up in the list but if you move to another point on the same street and bring up the menu again, it appears. Confusing. If you type the name of a street, it should bring up every piece of that street, especially if it's a long one broken up into multiple pieces.
9) Tons more, can't remember, experienced so much, good job again trying to do something different and take Monopoly to a whole notha level.
10) Good luck! You guys are going to need it!
MULTIPLE STREET BUG - if you happen to be buying E 5th St. in a city nearby another city that also numbers its streets, you'll be buying that one too. And if there happen to be three cities, then you'll get all three. Bonus bug: the map centers to the location between all 3.
Not sure if this has been reported yet, but when I click on search to find a street. The small window in the top right opens and has a flashing cursor. However in order to type in the search box I still need to click on it.
I'm running Safari 4 on OS X 10.6
Thanks so much! The game keeps getting better as the servers get faster.
I, contrary to most of the posts here, love this game. Good job on it! Keep it up!
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@Rachel
Some one was complaining about not only the number of hazards but the rapid succession in which they could be placed. I can see someone placing a lot on one street that way but how do you do in only a few minutes?
when i selling a street then i give money only for the street, but not for the buildings. Why i can't sell the bulidings and the street with one click?
i just found a guy from slavia cheating like i've never seen before -- he's got ever account starting from MMCSTESTAA to MMCSTESTZZ!!!! come on guys, fix your game before the cheating kills the fun
@shameonyou:
I started on the first day and voted in favor of the reset. Why? Because experience told me that if they were so totally unprepared for the amount of traffic, they'd have made a lot of other mistakes. That same prediction based on experience has paid off, as I have seen the results.
It will also fix a problem that a lot of people have been hit by - namely the "create an account with the same name capitalized differently" one that locks people out of their accounts. Additionally the game has not been waiting the full week before an offer is automatically accepted, which has hurt some other people. Then there is the fact that with something as simple as 'FireBug' you can follow every XHR request and examine the result - which was, apparently, not planned for. That has led to a lot of the cheating that exists.
Finally... You troll, you spam, you act like a complete and total ass. People ask you to act mature and you get this wonderfully snarky attitude that is stereotypically French. Now... I must say that you don't actually seem to complain about the reset - what you do is harangue Hasbro for some other event.
So, really, grow up and stop acting so much the stereotypes that you make all your countrymen look bad.
Where is my Mop Security Chance Card, Soccer Mom Chance Card, MILF Seduction Chance Card and Crazy Greenpeace Stalker Office? I am absolutely and positively NOT going to play this game ever again for the rest of my life and the next one too, if you do not implement these features! And I also want ninjas!
Hello,
I do have some problems with my map. In Garnich /Luxembourg there are 2 streets named "rue de Garnich" to sell, i bought bought, but when i want to build something on the second the map doesen`t show me the street....
Thanks for any helps
Yep. Someone buyed a street that I've already owned.
City Kharkov, "ул. Одесская" Owned by AlfeG and Purgen. but I'm bought it first
after playing a few days now, a few things I've noticed:
1. restricting to one account per IP would be bollocks. I play with my account, my wife plays with her account, so a "one account per IP restriction" would mean that she'd have to lose her account. ;)
2. Perhaps allow us to demo the hazards placed on our streets for a suitably high $$$ amount, instead of solely relying on the bulldozer chance cards. Otherwise, the game balance is just out of whack - if you get bigger (more streets) you're just a bigger target for the folks who get hazard cards and have nothing better to do with them (ie - they may not put the hazard on your street "maliciously"), and you have no way to counter that, no matter how much money you have (other than buying needless cheap houses hoping for bulldozer cards - and how's that going to affect the fragile servers when everybody has 100+ $50k houses on every street they own?) Perhaps for 10-20% of your total worth, or even 50% of the street's value, you can demo ONE hazard.
3. Along the same lines, maybe make Bonus buildings more permanent (meaning not bulldozable or destroyable by competitors by default), but charge 5-10% of the street's value per day to keep them there. After a day or two of not paying the fee THEN the bonus building is destroyable by competitors.
4. Storing a single bulldozer card for later use would be a great idea.
5. Disbursing rent only once per 24 hours is frustrating, especially early on where you don't have much to sell and no other way to make cash. As others have said, it makes for a game that's fun for 10-15 minutes a day. Maybe disbursing every 6 hours or so (or even 12 hours) might help.
6. The game crashes IE 6 nonstop. I know IE6 is EOL, but some of us still use it sometimes.
How is creating multiple accounts cheating? Your just upset because you don't have the time to do the same. Well booo hoooo! This is a free game and will not be perfect, so if you can use your brain to create an advantage then do so. Life isn't fair nor should be a game.
Where do you get the chance cards? I have been playing for 3-4 days and have had only one card. During the same time a certain individual player has demolished one of my buildings and built two hazards.
Heres the easiest way to prevent cheating:
1. Make poeple use an email address and make signups have to click a link to verify. At least cheaters must spend a little time to make new accounts.
2. Record IP addresses. If you see an IP address selling a street to another account on the same IP address, and its done real cheap, then thats possibly a way someone is cheating.
By the way, if I choose to comment as "google account" it does it as "admin" whats up with that?
To those that are upset that some competitors have discovered an advantage. It's not cheating if your not breaking any rules of the game. How have any of you made it through life? Life and games such as monopoly require thought that extends outside of the box. If everything was fair then there would be no winner. If everything was fair I would be just as successful as Bill Gates. Hence the importance of using your brain, if one exists, to gain advantages within what is available. I have never witnessed a bigger bunch of crybabies in my life.
a way to handle hazards is to charge for putting them down. This will limit the will to build hazards. Bonus buildings may have a lifespan, say for 5 days, then being possible to demilish. Also charge for demolishing. Multiple acconunts, tricky, but need to be maanged. Limit trading, and forbid sequential trading between accounts.
Cheating & seeing other players
I have a serious issue with guys cheating...not sure how much fun it is to hack the site, be number 1 but everyone knows you a loser. So, you come on the site to make you feel great, but in the end you end up with even worse psyche/fun position. Let we all have fun please...LEGITIMATELY!
Secondly, I have been doing very well LEGITIMATELY and got to the top in our national ranking. However, when bulldozers come up, you can only pick the top 10 guys to nail. I don't think this is fair as you generally know all the other property magnates in real life if you are a property magnate...or if you want to compare it to monopoly, you know the person sitting opposite you making your life difficult. Why keep nailing top 10 when there are hundreds of thousands of players - can wipe the top player out in 1 day which will demoralise him to not play again. There must be a "search player" tab so you can nail the person back...DEFINITELY!
Mr Monopoly, appreciate your feedback.
@Newby8 - hacking accounts and running multiple acounts etc is not beating the rules...that is cheating.
Please tell me then in a simple boardgame, how you will "hack" Monopoly to get the advantage. To be first, needs skill - not fingers in the banks money balances. That my dear newby, is cheating.
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